If there is one piece of career-gamesmanship advice I would give to anyone, especially undergraduates eventually looking to get into graduate school or beginning PhDs who will be eventually looking for jobs, it would be to think carefully well in advance about where you plan to get letters of recommendation from.
For graduate school, your letters are probably the most important deciding factor for whether you'll get accepted or not. For job searches, good letters won't really get you the job, but you'll need great letters to even get your foot in the door for an interview.
Yes, great work will trump everything (if you do really great work, you'll get the great letters). But I've seen numerous students do less well than they should have because they didn't think well enough in advance about this part of the game.
For undergraduates thinking about graduate school, have you formed a close working relationship with one or more faculty members? (This can be done by doing research with them, writing a thesis with them as an advisor, being a teaching assistant for them, etc.) Lots of students will have exceptional grades and test scores; we want to know about you as an individual, and your capacity for research. Letters are the best way for us to get this information. Particularly if you go to a smaller school or a school with a smaller CS department, you may want to try to find a way to do a summer internship with a "bigger name" person -- a letter from such a person will likely make the difference between getting in and not for many places.
For graduate students thinking about jobs, who besides your advisor is going to write you a letter? We expect your advisor to say that you're wonderful; we want to hear from less biased sources. (Many students fall into the trap of working almost exclusively with their advisor -- good in the short-term, not in the long-term.) What other faculty have you worked at your institution? Have you worked with anyone from another institution? Have you thought about doing a summer internship -- which can be worthwhile just to get a good letter! It's important to work with multiple people, not just your advisor, so we can see multiple letters explaining and confirming why you and your work are so outstanding.
I thought about this after a discussion on the complexity blog about graduate school detoured slightly into the subject of letters for jobs (in particular, check Paul Beame's insightful comment #41).
By the time you get to tenure, letters are still important, but ostensibly you have less control about where the letters come from. The same general advice seems to apply, though -- great work trumps all, but working with or having some shared experience with many colleagues, including more senior ones, can be key to career advancement.
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Friday, July 20, 2007
Citation Counts for Tenure
The discussion on citation counts reminded me of the related question of how much of a role this sort of data should play in tenure decisions.
In the world of extremes, one could imagine tenure decisions being based solely on letters without really looking at citation data. A motivation for this approach would be that letters give you a richer picture of how a person is viewed by their peers in the research community, what their work has been about, and what the potential impact of this work will be in the future. On the other hand, the system can be gamed, by making sure positively inclined people get chosen to write letters. (The person up for tenure might not exactly be able to game the system themselves, but certainly a friendly department chair could...) I have to admit, the letter-based approach feels rather "old-boy network" to me, which leaves me a bit uncomfortable.
As another extreme, one could imagine tenure decisions being based solely on numerical data gathered from Google scholar or other sources. A motivation for this approach would be that the numbers supposedly give you an unbiased picture of the impact of a researcher's work, allowing comparisons with other comparable researchers. The data could also be used to gauge the derivative -- how one's work is changing and growing in impact over time. On the other hand, the system can be gamed, by developing groups who purposefully cite each other whenever possible or by working on projects that give better numbers without really giving high impact. I have to admit, I like the numbers, and in some respects I trust them more than letters, but I still don't entirely trust them, either.
My limited experience with promotion decisions is that it makes sense to gather both types of data and make sure they are consistent. When they are not consistent, then the departmental arguments can begin. When asked to write letters, I know I look at the citation data, and would include it in the letter if I felt it was appropriate.
In the world of extremes, one could imagine tenure decisions being based solely on letters without really looking at citation data. A motivation for this approach would be that letters give you a richer picture of how a person is viewed by their peers in the research community, what their work has been about, and what the potential impact of this work will be in the future. On the other hand, the system can be gamed, by making sure positively inclined people get chosen to write letters. (The person up for tenure might not exactly be able to game the system themselves, but certainly a friendly department chair could...) I have to admit, the letter-based approach feels rather "old-boy network" to me, which leaves me a bit uncomfortable.
As another extreme, one could imagine tenure decisions being based solely on numerical data gathered from Google scholar or other sources. A motivation for this approach would be that the numbers supposedly give you an unbiased picture of the impact of a researcher's work, allowing comparisons with other comparable researchers. The data could also be used to gauge the derivative -- how one's work is changing and growing in impact over time. On the other hand, the system can be gamed, by developing groups who purposefully cite each other whenever possible or by working on projects that give better numbers without really giving high impact. I have to admit, I like the numbers, and in some respects I trust them more than letters, but I still don't entirely trust them, either.
My limited experience with promotion decisions is that it makes sense to gather both types of data and make sure they are consistent. When they are not consistent, then the departmental arguments can begin. When asked to write letters, I know I look at the citation data, and would include it in the letter if I felt it was appropriate.
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