tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post325783484949313134..comments2024-03-10T05:26:42.148-04:00Comments on My Biased Coin: Service to the Academic Community: Goals?Michael Mitzenmacherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06738274256402616703noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-75199275927075112652007-10-24T21:36:00.000-04:002007-10-24T21:36:00.000-04:00As stated in the post: (And to be clear, here I me...As stated in the post:<BR/><BR/><I> (And to be clear, here I mean service to the scientific community at large; university service, for example, is separate.) </I> <BR/><BR/>I meant specifically service to the scientific community, which arguably could include "service to the outside world" -- I'd certainly view writing a popular article explaining research to a more general audience, for instance, to be at least in part service. (My guess would be university service wold be approximately another 1/8 time, for about 1/4 time of service, though that might reasonably differ from school to school.) <BR/><BR/>Refereeing and PC work would then be service of the kind I'm talking about. I realize on thinking about it that when viewed this way, my previous conception that one should referee at least one paper for every paper one writes is perhaps unreasonable; refereeing should be viewed as one component in the larger area of service. So bringing up this topic at least got me to think a little differently already....Michael Mitzenmacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161161032642563814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-53509992697976580912007-10-24T21:15:00.000-04:002007-10-24T21:15:00.000-04:00What do you mean by service?(1) Administrative ser...What do you mean by service?<BR/>(1) Administrative service in one's department or university? <BR/>(2) Service to one's research community? <BR/>(3) Service to the outside world?<BR/>If you mean all three of these then the 1/8 figure seems low.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-33972312843944108212007-10-24T15:21:00.000-04:002007-10-24T15:21:00.000-04:00In most other places that I know of, service is 20...In most other places that I know of, service is 20% and teaching and research are 40%. This means that the relative value of service to research is 2:1. This seems a clear improvement over the 1:1 ratio in France.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-16201891678278760352007-10-23T09:16:00.000-04:002007-10-23T09:16:00.000-04:00Do you include refereeing in your definition of "s...Do you include refereeing in your definition of "service"? Program committee work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-83922202444570834332007-10-23T09:12:00.000-04:002007-10-23T09:12:00.000-04:00When I was a professor in France, the government h...When I was a professor in France, the government had an official guideline far all professors: that they spend 1/3 of their time on teaching, 1/3 on research, and 1/3 on administration.Claire Mathieuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957755706440077623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-29233436657420276412007-10-23T05:04:00.000-04:002007-10-23T05:04:00.000-04:00...1/8 time, or at least one hour a day...Are you ...<EM>...1/8 time, or at least one hour a day...</EM><BR/><BR/><EM>Are you saying that senior faculty only work a 40-hour week? =)</EM><BR/><BR/>Or did he mean a 56-hour week? =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-38327167150952945442007-10-22T23:47:00.000-04:002007-10-22T23:47:00.000-04:00Anonymous 2 -- are you surprised that I would say ...Anonymous 2 -- are you surprised that I would say senior faculty <I>work only</I> a 40-hour week, or are you surprised that I would say they <I>actually work</I> 40 hours a week? =)Michael Mitzenmacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161161032642563814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-84759442907737924242007-10-22T23:02:00.000-04:002007-10-22T23:02:00.000-04:00...1/8 time, or at least one hour a day...Are you ...<EM>...1/8 time, or at least one hour a day...</EM><BR/><BR/>Are you saying that senior faculty only work a 40-hour week? =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890204.post-87021977901959314472007-10-22T17:37:00.000-04:002007-10-22T17:37:00.000-04:00Regarding your question 2 .. my take is that more ...Regarding your question 2 .. my take is that more than explicitly rewarding service, strong role models who do exceptional service -- and thereby inspire the next generation -- are the best way to keep a healthy (scientific) community going. As a personal example, my advisor David Shmoys has inspired me greatly, through his survey articles, superb planning for talks, being a great teacher etc. In general, a conscientious set of senior colleagues keep a field running well, in my opinion. (Some reward mechanism is OK, but too much focus on it may distort the picture. I hope a good deal of us in academia/research feel very fortunate to be part of this process, and that "giving back" comes naturally to most of us.)<BR/><BR/>aravindAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com